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Bryan Johnson22 November 2022

Bryan Johnson: How He Is Getting Biologically Younger, Selling His Company for $800 Million, and More

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Explainer· 3

Explainer02:00

You are not one age, you are a few hundred ages

Johnson opens by reframing what biological age even means. He left his mother's womb 45 years ago, but biologically he is a few hundred different ages because each organ can be characterised through its own set of markers. The heart alone is described through a few dozen markers, and the same applies across the body. Different parts age at different speeds, and life choices and environment modulate each independently.

  • Chronological age is one number; biological age is a large collection of markers
  • The heart alone can be characterised through a few dozen markers
  • Different organs age at different speeds
  • Life choices and environment affect each system differently

“I left my mother's womb 45 years ago. And uh biologically I'm a few hundred different ages.”

Bryan Johnson · 02:00
#longevity#biomarkers#measurement
Explainer22:30

The $100M fund thesis: humanity can program bits but not biology

Johnson put $100 million into a fund built around one asymmetry. If a world problem can be solved by software engineers writing code, humanity is good at that. If it requires engineering atoms, molecules and organisms, we cannot deploy millions of people to do it at a moment's notice. He invested in the foundational building blocks for engineering biology reliably, including synthetic biology, DNA-based information storage using nature's hard drive, and nanotech assembling structures atom by atom like Legos. He had written that this infrastructure would matter in a pandemic, and Ginkgo Bioworks, one of his first investments, ended up working on the mRNA vaccine.

  • $100 million deployed into deep tech infrastructure for engineering biology
  • Thesis: we can program bits at scale but not atoms, molecules or organisms
  • Portfolio spans synthetic biology, DNA data storage and nanotech
  • He predicted in a blog post that this would matter in a pandemic
  • Ginkgo Bioworks, an early investment, worked on the mRNA vaccine

“If a problem arises in the world that requires the engineering of biology of atoms and molecules and organisms, we're not there yet.”

Bryan Johnson · 22:30
#investing#deep-tech#synthetic-biology
Explainer27:30

Kernel: making brain measurement as routine as a wearable

Johnson explains Kernel as an attempt to do for the brain what wearables did for sleep and respiration. We can measure almost everything about ourselves routinely except our brains, so questions like whether you are in early cognitive decline, what kind of anxiety or depression you have, or whether your lifestyle supports focus have no numerical answer. Kernel built a neuroimaging helmet that takes a minute to set up and uses light to measure brain activity. Johnson was a pilot participant in an off-label ketamine study with healthy people, and the team also ran an alcohol study showing the brain compensates for impairment until it can no longer hide it.

  • Neuroimaging helmet, one minute to set up, uses light to measure brain activity
  • Most people wrongly assume self-awareness is a robust sensor for their own brain
  • Pilot participant in an off-label ketamine study with healthy subjects
  • Alcohol study showed the brain masks impairment until a threshold is crossed
  • The company has papers coming and is now hunting product-market fit for a first application

“so much happens in our brain that we are unaware of and there's so much data in our brain that is informative to what we…”

Bryan Johnson · 28:30
#kernel#neurotech#measurement

Story· 4

Story03:30

Sixty rejections, a farm upbringing, and falling into payments by accident

Johnson describes deciding at 21 that he wanted to do something meaningful for humanity, having grown up on a farm in a deeply religious small town and not meeting an engineer until he was 21 or 22. His plan was naive: become an entrepreneur, make money by 30, then go after something big. Struggling to pay bills with a child, he applied for 60 jobs and nobody would contemplate hiring him, so he took a 100%-commission door-to-door credit card processing role and stumbled into payments.

  • Decided at 21 to make money by 30, then pursue something meaningful
  • Grew up on a farm in a deeply religious community, met no engineer until 21 or 22
  • Applied for 60 jobs and was rejected by all of them
  • Took a 100%-commission door-to-door sales job out of desperation
  • Read 100 to 200 biographies, which taught him to reject the first narrative offered

“I applied for 60 jobs. Nobody even contemplate hiring me.”

Bryan Johnson · 04:00

“it it it invites me to always reject the first narrative that's offered. And understand it not for a factual statement but for a wishful…”

Bryan Johnson · 15:00
#founder-story#origins#reading
Story04:30

OpenTable as the wedge that became Braintree

Braintree's first product was a bespoke solution for a single customer. OpenTable wanted to take credit cards to raise the odds that diners showed up for reservations, but did not want to store card data because of compliance exposure. Johnson's team built a system where the card details appeared to be entered into OpenTable but were in fact stored on Braintree's side. From that single custom build they generalised to other merchants and landed Airbnb, GitHub and Uber, including Uber's frictionless get-out-and-walk-away payment experience.

  • First product solved one customer's compliance problem, not a general market
  • Card data appeared to be entered into OpenTable but was stored by Braintree
  • Generalised from that build to broader merchant customers
  • Landed Airbnb, GitHub and Uber as high-tech early adopters
  • Built Uber's no-receipt, no-signature exit payment experience

“to the user it appeared as if I was entering my credit card information in the OpenTable system when in fact they were entering it…”

Bryan Johnson · 11:00
#braintree#product#wedge-strategy
Story11:30

Eleven months of residuals became the startup capital

Johnson sold credit card processing door to door for 11 months, and at that mark his portfolio of customers was generating around $59,000 a month, of which he took a cut. Coming from a household that debated whether to spend its $5 family date budget on a car wash or a restaurant, the number reframed what was possible. He had already decided he would not trade time for money at any hourly rate, preferring to take zero for an indefinite period for a much larger upside, and in fact made essentially nothing until he was 34.

  • At the 11-month mark his customer portfolio generated roughly $59,000 a month
  • He grew up with a $5 family date budget
  • Refused to trade time for money at an hourly rate
  • Was willing to earn zero indefinitely in exchange for large upside
  • Made essentially no money until age 34

“I wanted to say I'm willing to take zero for an indefinite period of time in exchange for the opportunity to make a whole lot…”

Bryan Johnson · 12:00
#bootstrapping#residual-revenue#braintree
Story16:30

What actually changes when $300 million lands in your account

Johnson describes the exit as sobering rather than celebratory. He had no waiting list of purchases and did not spend money for a long time, and says even his most aggressive expectations of how life would change were not close to what actually happened. The change was relational: wealth, power, status and age all shape human interactions and create a different entry point for everything. He illustrates it with a story about Larry Bird, whose old friends went from grateful to silently expectant to fully assuming he would pick up the bill, which removed the fun and deterred him from seeing them.

  • The dominant feeling was sobering, not triumphant
  • He had no list of things waiting to be bought and spent little for years
  • The real change was in the power dynamics of every relationship
  • The Larry Bird dinner story: generosity hardening into expectation
  • He wished someone had briefed him on navigating wealth beforehand

“It's sobering because you know it's bigger than what you realize but you don't know in what ways.”

Bryan Johnson · 16:30

“the fun was removed because now instead of me being able to do something, be generous with someone, I'm now in this expectation.”

Bryan Johnson · 18:30
#exit#wealth#relationships

Takeaway· 1

Takeaway56:30

The truth serum test: ask what their partner thinks of you

Asked whether he was a good manager, Johnson says he joked with his Braintree team that he did not care what they thought of him, only what their significant others thought. His reasoning is that it is very hard to get someone's real opinion of you directly because honesty to your boss is difficult, but the conversation people have at home after work is the truth serum in action. He has data showing some people called him the best boss of their lives and assumes others disliked his approach, and frames his aim as being a high-value person in his employees' lives, creating an environment where they become their best selves.

  • Direct feedback to a boss is structurally unreliable
  • The at-home conversation after work is the honest signal
  • He has data showing some rated him the best boss they ever had
  • He assumes others disliked how he did things and does not dispute it
  • His stated goal was being a high-value person in his team's lives, not just a business steward

“I joked my team at Braintree that I didn't care what they thought. I only cared to learn what their significant others thought.”

Bryan Johnson · 56:30

“when we go home from work and we're talking to our significant others like that's the truth serum in action.”

Bryan Johnson · 57:00
#management#feedback#leadership

idea· 3

idea33:00

Society has millions of invisible standards and almost none for the brain

Johnson argues society runs on millions of invisible engineering standards we never think about. You do not measure your front door before buying an appliance, because door and appliance dimensions are standardised. Traffic light timing works because we know human reaction times, braking power and stopping distances. But there are almost no standards around depression, anxiety or cognitive decline, because there is no measurement. His conclusion is that giving everyone numbers is what lets ecosystems of solutions form around a problem.

  • Millions of agreed invisible standards make daily life work
  • Traffic light timing is an engineering standard built on measured human reaction time
  • No equivalent standards exist for depression, anxiety or cognitive decline
  • The blocker is measurement, not intent
  • Numbers precede science, and ecosystems form around numbers

“We have very few standards about our brains because we can't measure it.”

Bryan Johnson · 33:30

“if you give everyone the numbers, you give them opportunity to build um solutions around those problems.”

Bryan Johnson · 34:00
#mental-health#standards#measurement
idea58:00

Aging points: the one balance nobody checks

Johnson observes that we all know our bank balance, our weight and our follower count, but nobody knows their speed of aging in the moment. He proposes treating aging as a bank account of life points, and asks whether people would spend them differently if the balance were visible. He reports aging at 0.76, so for every 365 days he ages 277 days and effectively gets October, November and December for free, with the second half of the goal being to reverse the aging that did occur so his biological age holds steady. He frames the wider shift as society becoming obsessed with what humans can become rather than what technology can become.

  • We track wealth, weight and followers but not speed of aging
  • He reports aging at 0.76, roughly 277 days per calendar year
  • That effectively returns three months a year
  • The second objective is reversing the aging that still occurs
  • Entropy is strong and he does not claim it can be beaten, only slowed

“So I'm I'm currently aging at 0.76. So I for every 365 days a year I age 277. So I basically get like October, November,…”

Bryan Johnson · 59:00
#longevity#aging-rate#reframe
idea1:01:00

Goal alignment starts inside your own body, not with AI

Asked what he wishes more people were working on, Johnson names one obsession: goal alignment and cooperation. He frames Blueprint as bringing world peace to his own body, the same problem structure as climate change, where measuring the world with millions of data points and letting the Earth speak would let us work within its constraints instead of overrunning it. He argues the AI alignment debate is premature given we lack alignment within ourselves, let alone between humans, and that the default posture of starting with other people's behaviour rather than looking inward is the error. His next target is his own brain via Kernel, and he is talking to mathematicians about whether a Nash-style formal approach to multi-agent alignment exists.

  • Cooperation and goal alignment are the single problem he is obsessed with
  • Blueprint is framed as achieving goal alignment within one body
  • The same structure applies to climate: measure the planet and work within its constraints
  • AI alignment is premature when we lack alignment within ourselves
  • Next target is measuring the brain's diet of news, social media, friends and environment

“this blueprint thing this question is can I bring world peace to Brian? In my body. The answer is yes I did.”

Bryan Johnson · 1:01:30

“is it possible that we basically eat 90% junk food in a given day to our brains because that's just the way society is structured.”

Bryan Johnson · 1:04:00
#goal-alignment#ai#systems-thinking

contrarian· 2

contrarian36:30

Blueprint is a philosophical project wearing a health project's clothes

Sean pushes back that Blueprint looks like calling mayo aioli, dressing up a diet as transcendence for the species. Johnson holds the line: from the outside it appears to be health, wellness and anti-aging, and all of that is true, but he frames it as a philosophical endeavour about the future of intelligence. He says it is the best and most practical answer he has come up with to the question of how the human race and intelligence generally can survive and thrive, and insists it is not a health and wellness gig or a diet trend but an attempt to restructure the human relationship with food, happiness and control.

  • Sean challenges the framing as repackaging a diet as philosophy
  • Johnson accepts the health framing is true but says it is not the point
  • He calls Blueprint the best idea he has ever had, tracing back to age 21
  • The stated subject is the future of intelligence, not anti-aging
  • He explicitly rejects the labels health and wellness gig and diet trend

“from the outside perspective, it appears to be health and wellness and anti-aging and whatnot. That's all true, but really it's a philosophical endeavour for…”

Bryan Johnson · 37:00

“is this mayo? No, he's calling it aioli.”

Sean Puri · 43:00
#blueprint#philosophy#pushback
contrarian44:30

The grocery store is an unfair fight and the individual always loses

Asked for the 80/20 of his protocol, Johnson first reframes the environment. He describes walking into a grocery store as violence via advertising, ingredients and sugar, and says the individual is not on equal footing with it. The same applies to being sized up against algorithms. His conclusion is that society gleefully permits mass self-harm and then tells the individual good luck, and that the most important thing anyone can do is accept the basic principle that a system, not your decision-making, drives what you eat.

  • The retail food environment is characterised as outright violence
  • The individual is outmatched by advertising, sugar and algorithms
  • The same asymmetry applies to social media algorithms
  • The first move is accepting that a system, not decision-making, drives eating
  • Blueprint is expensive and difficult now, which he treats as normal for early innovation

“when you walk into the grocery store, I mean, it is violence. All outright violence through the representation of advertising and ingredients and sugar.”

Bryan Johnson · 44:30
#food-environment#willpower#systems

resource· 1

resource1:07:00

Inside the mini clinic: five sonographers and a 25-person team

Johnson explains the equipment behind him and why Blueprint costs what it does. They bought a medical-grade hospital-grade ultrasound machine, because in the pyramid of measurement wearables come first, then biofluids like blood and urine, then imaging, which is an entirely different class of quality alongside MRI and Kernel's neuroimaging. The team runs about 25 people with different specialties, including five sonographers split across heart, lungs and abdominal organs, musculoskeletal, and Doppler for the brain. Ultrasound is used to measure tendons, ligaments and joint components at the ankles, knees, hips, elbows and shoulders before and after exercise regimes.

  • Measurement pyramid: wearables, then biofluids, then imaging
  • Bought a hospital-grade ultrasound machine and built a mini clinic in-house
  • Five sonographers cover heart, abdominal organs, musculoskeletal and brain Doppler
  • Roughly 25 specialists in total across the programme
  • Exercise regimes are validated by measured change in joints and connective tissue, with feelings explicitly discounted as a signal

“Imaging is an entirely different class of quality class.”

Bryan Johnson · 1:07:00

“So everything we do is quantified. And so it's not like oh this thing makes me feel better. Feelings rarely matter with anything we do.”

Bryan Johnson · 1:08:30
#blueprint#measurement-stack#team